Robert -
I would just like to say that I'm glad you've started taking a sip and giving some tasting notes at the end of your videos. It helps a lot. Thanks.
Hi Charlotte - You mention that you're making a "perfect" Rob Roy. When I was trained along time ago, I was taught that a perfect Rob Roy or Manhattan split the usual amount of sweet vermouth evenly with dry vermouth and was garnished with a twist of lemon. In other words, instead of, say, 2 : 1 spirit to sweet vermouth, it would be 2 : .5 : .5 spirit to sweet vermouth to dry vermouth.
Have I been making this incorrectly all these years? (it wouldn't be much of a surprise: This was 1988. Everybody still put club soda in their Old Fashioneds, and woo-woos, Alabama Slammers, and Whitesnake were all the rage. Ugh).
Thanks for your help.
Great episode, Charlotte.
1) I had a boss who insisted we always stir our martinis in the mixing glass, not the tin, and I see you are doing the same here. I would think the metal would conduct the heat out of the fluids more efficiently than glass, but he decreed otherwise with no explanation. At first I thought maybe it was so the guest could see the drink through the glass, but if they're watching that closely then surely they can see you pouring in the first place. Aside from tradition (he was very old school), I can't think of any other reason. Do you know why this is?
2) Why do you use a julep strainer instead of a Hawthorne?
Many thanks.
P.S. I had a martini at The Capital Grille the other night and the barmaid shook it. I nearly fainted.
Alan - Sometimes I'll do a little up and down chopping motion on the ice cubes with my barspoon towards the end of the stirring cycle. It adds a few tiny crystals to the top of the poured martini and they sparkle nicely in the lighting in our bar. It looks great and the ladies especially seem to like it. Obviously, you don't want to do it too much or the drink will get too much dilution, and you don't want to create air bubbles, either. I think it's easier with cubes that aren't extremely cold because they're more fragile. And the final look may also depend on how the bar itself is actually lit.
Of course this only works if the guest is at the bar; the crystals will melt by the time the waiter gets to a table.
[BTW, I like some orange bitters in my gin martinis, too.]
Blair -
I have experimented with many bitters in my gin martinis and I always come back to orange, but I must admit I've never tried lemon. It seems so obvious, so right-there-in-front-of-your-face that it never even occurred to me (and I prefer a twist over olives). I will find some and give it a go.
Tonight I stirred a Manhattan in my shaker tin. The guest said it was nice and cold. ;-)
Oops! Sorry, Charlotte. I just noticed you had already answered the question about the mixing glass in another section.
However, I'm still interested in why you use the julep strainer instead of the Hawthorne. Does it fit the mixing glass better, or is this simply your personal preference?
Many thanks.
- charlie
Jamie - I'm interested to hear your comment on putting in the orange twist before pouring. Won't the oils float up to the top anyway?
Thanks again for another great episode. I wish I worked in a place with one of those Perlini Systems. I could have a lot of fun with that.
Wow, fast answer, Jamie! Thanks, I will try the Praecocia. But I've just gotta ask: You're a Seattle bartender and you're posting at 8am Pacific Time? WTF?!?
Oops, it's PST. I guess that shows my East Coast bias. I suppose if the bars still close at 2am in Seattle, 11am is still pretty early!
BTW, no matter what size, I can't make a bottle of sweet vermouth last more that a couple of weeks. Heh-heh.... I just love a good Manhattan.
Nick - Your recipe sounds delicious and I will be trying it soon (I hope tonight! Gotta get to the grocery store) but I can't help thinking that, by omitting the orange liqueur completely and substituting agave nectar and muddled orange, it shouldn't be called a margarita at all. Maybe a Mexican Gimlet?
Hi Robert -
I notice you haven't used a garnish on this drink. Like many bartenders, back in the 80s I was trained to use a slice of orange and a "maraschino" (*ahem*) cherry in my sours. Do you have a favorite garnish for this, or do you prefer to go without? Personally, I think the proper garnish can make or break a cocktail.
Oh, man. I'm not nearly coordinated enough to do that!
I like the orange half-wheel as well. I'm trying to talk my boss into getting us some better cherries.
Thanks for the quick response. I love this site and recommend it to people all the time. Take care.
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Robert - I would just like to say that I'm glad you've started taking a sip and giving some tasting notes at the end of your videos. It helps a lot. Thanks.
Yong lady, I love the way you freepour!
Hi Charlotte - You mention that you're making a "perfect" Rob Roy. When I was trained along time ago, I was taught that a perfect Rob Roy or Manhattan split the usual amount of sweet vermouth evenly with dry vermouth and was garnished with a twist of lemon. In other words, instead of, say, 2 : 1 spirit to sweet vermouth, it would be 2 : .5 : .5 spirit to sweet vermouth to dry vermouth. Have I been making this incorrectly all these years? (it wouldn't be much of a surprise: This was 1988. Everybody still put club soda in their Old Fashioneds, and woo-woos, Alabama Slammers, and Whitesnake were all the rage. Ugh). Thanks for your help.
Hi Kathy. Looks delicious! How long does the syrup last in the refrigerator? And would adding a tsp of vodka help it last longer? Thanks.
Great episode, Charlotte. 1) I had a boss who insisted we always stir our martinis in the mixing glass, not the tin, and I see you are doing the same here. I would think the metal would conduct the heat out of the fluids more efficiently than glass, but he decreed otherwise with no explanation. At first I thought maybe it was so the guest could see the drink through the glass, but if they're watching that closely then surely they can see you pouring in the first place. Aside from tradition (he was very old school), I can't think of any other reason. Do you know why this is? 2) Why do you use a julep strainer instead of a Hawthorne? Many thanks. P.S. I had a martini at The Capital Grille the other night and the barmaid shook it. I nearly fainted.
Alan - Sometimes I'll do a little up and down chopping motion on the ice cubes with my barspoon towards the end of the stirring cycle. It adds a few tiny crystals to the top of the poured martini and they sparkle nicely in the lighting in our bar. It looks great and the ladies especially seem to like it. Obviously, you don't want to do it too much or the drink will get too much dilution, and you don't want to create air bubbles, either. I think it's easier with cubes that aren't extremely cold because they're more fragile. And the final look may also depend on how the bar itself is actually lit. Of course this only works if the guest is at the bar; the crystals will melt by the time the waiter gets to a table. [BTW, I like some orange bitters in my gin martinis, too.]
Blair - I have experimented with many bitters in my gin martinis and I always come back to orange, but I must admit I've never tried lemon. It seems so obvious, so right-there-in-front-of-your-face that it never even occurred to me (and I prefer a twist over olives). I will find some and give it a go. Tonight I stirred a Manhattan in my shaker tin. The guest said it was nice and cold. ;-)
Oops! Sorry, Charlotte. I just noticed you had already answered the question about the mixing glass in another section. However, I'm still interested in why you use the julep strainer instead of the Hawthorne. Does it fit the mixing glass better, or is this simply your personal preference? Many thanks. - charlie
That helps a lot. Thanks, Charlotte.
Hi Kathy - What kind of spiced rum are you using? The captain has never done it for me. Thanks.
Thanks, Kathy. I'll keep an eye out for them.
Jamie - I'm interested to hear your comment on putting in the orange twist before pouring. Won't the oils float up to the top anyway? Thanks again for another great episode. I wish I worked in a place with one of those Perlini Systems. I could have a lot of fun with that.
Mr Boudreau - What do you call this particular recipe you mix here?
Wow, fast answer, Jamie! Thanks, I will try the Praecocia. But I've just gotta ask: You're a Seattle bartender and you're posting at 8am Pacific Time? WTF?!?
Oops, it's PST. I guess that shows my East Coast bias. I suppose if the bars still close at 2am in Seattle, 11am is still pretty early! BTW, no matter what size, I can't make a bottle of sweet vermouth last more that a couple of weeks. Heh-heh.... I just love a good Manhattan.
Hi Robert - Why is this considered a cocktail if it doesn't contain bitters (I suppose the same could be asked of the sidecar)?
Thanks for the quick response, Robert.
Nick - Your recipe sounds delicious and I will be trying it soon (I hope tonight! Gotta get to the grocery store) but I can't help thinking that, by omitting the orange liqueur completely and substituting agave nectar and muddled orange, it shouldn't be called a margarita at all. Maybe a Mexican Gimlet?
Hi Robert - I notice you haven't used a garnish on this drink. Like many bartenders, back in the 80s I was trained to use a slice of orange and a "maraschino" (*ahem*) cherry in my sours. Do you have a favorite garnish for this, or do you prefer to go without? Personally, I think the proper garnish can make or break a cocktail.
Oh, man. I'm not nearly coordinated enough to do that! I like the orange half-wheel as well. I'm trying to talk my boss into getting us some better cherries. Thanks for the quick response. I love this site and recommend it to people all the time. Take care.